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Brief Of Patrick Nee And Levy Messenetti In Response To Courts Request For Submissions

We write in response to the Court's Order dated July 25, 2014, issued following the Second Circuit's Summary Order dated July 23,2014 in this matter. The Circuit vacated the Court's decision of October 23, 2012 upholding the Review Officer's veto of Patrick Nee and Levy Messinetti as officers and delegates of Local 157 and remanded the matter for further proceedings.


Who is the Bloom Law Firm and Why Is Lisa Bloom Suing Douglas McCarron and His Cronies For $50 Million Dollars

General President Douglas J. McCarron
By Silence Dogood

Despite erroneous misinformation being spread that Mike McCarron has taken a dive and made a deal with UBC General President Doug McCarron. Despite erroneous misinformation being spread by Doug McCarron that he has over $600 million of rank and file members money to persecute Mike McCarron while Mike has nothing. Despite erroneous misinformation being spread that Douglas McCarron has silenced little brother Mike McCarron, it appears these are blatant lies.

It appears Mike Mccarron is far from done fighting and has made no deals. It appears we will see if Doug McCarron and his cronies will be allowed to abuse any more of rank and file members money to continue this persecution of Mike McCarron .

We will see if rank and file members money will be abused in defense of the counter lawsuit for 10 causes of action at $50 million each filed by Mike McCarrons new lawyer Lisa Bloom of the prestigious Bloom Law Firm of NYC.

The Bloom law firms Lisa Bloom, is known as a prominent attorney, author and legal analyst. She has appeared as a legal expert on networks such as CBS and CNN. Attorney Bloom is The Today Show’s legal analyst and appears frequently on NBC Nightly News, Morning Joe and The Last Word with Lawrence O’Donnell. She is also now the attorney on record for Mike McCarron in his attempt to defend himself against the persecution from Douglas McCarron and his cronies as individuals and as United Brotherhood of Carpenters Officers.

These same UBC Officials have a long well documented history of persecuting members who do not agree with their corporate Unionism policy’s and their abuse of the powers of their offices. A long well documented history of violations of Federal and State laws such as the NLRA, The LMRDA, ERISA and a laundry list of other violations for which they have spent millions in members money and time to defend.

Their NYC District Council is so corrupt the Feds have had to run it for 25 years and it gives no indication of changing anytime soon. Federal Prisoner Mike Forde former EST of the NYC Council once wrote in a fax “The Things you have to do for this organization” with a smiley face. That was in a reply to District VP Frank Spencer's inquiry as to whether Mike Forde and his wife would be joining Frank Spencer for a Union meeting in Hawaii at $10,000 per couple in First Class airfare in January of 2008.

This is a perfect example of the long and well documented history of enriching themselves at the Union trough or as some in the legal profession might call “Unclean Hands”.

Enriching themselves as they cut health and welfare benefits of the membership and retirees. Enriching themselves as they cut Pension benefits for retirees. Enriching themselves as they conspire with the NCCMP to get the federal Government to rewrite ERISA law to allow them to steal from retirees to continue to pay for their First Class Airfare to Hawaii and rape of the funds for personnel gain.

On August 18, 2014 the Bloom law firm on behalf of Mike McCarron filed a counter suit against Douglas McCarron, Mike Draper, Andy Silins, Doug Banes, Phil Newkirk, Justin Weidner, Dan McDonald and John Does 1-50 as individuals and as officers and agents of the UBC.

Dan McDonald can be heard on a 30 minute audio tape of harassing and intimidating a witness. McDonald is 4’11’ yet the tape is filled with bandy rooster bravado that it is as absurd as it is comical. The tape is also so filed with vulgarity’s that it exposes McDonald's ignorance and poor character.

Also named were ULLICO and the SWRCC. Ten causes of action were listed including Rico violations. LMRDA violations. Slander. Defamation, Violation of Free Speech. Violation of Due Process as well as Conspiracy just to name a few.

Many of the causes of action should be examined by the MANY other victims of the McCarron regime persecuted in the same manner as Mike McCarron for possible further lawsuits. The Bloom Law firm is seeking $50 million Dollars for each count for each defendant.

Despite carrying the stigma of the McCarron name, Mike McCarron has joined the MANY other victims of persecution by Doug McCarron and his UBC cronies.

He too is now, as Doug McCarron in the LA Times article labeled all UBC members who disagree with his agenda or policies, a “Deranged Loner and Communist”.

Mike McCarron has had to sit and endure the ignorant rant and tirades that is a trademark of 5 ft tall and 5 ft wide Mike Draper. He has been a victim of the UBC scripted Phil Newkirk reports used as the excuse to steal his Council and railroad him as has been done so many times before with so many victims.

Despite the intentional lies and misinformation by potential John Does 1-50,  Mike McCarron has made no deal. He has not laid down and shut up because big bad Dougy McCarron said so.

What he HAS done is stood up and fought back. What he IS doing is trying to expose and hopefully bring a delusional tyrant to justice.

It is TIME for Doug McCarron and his cronies as individuals to be held accountable for using the funds and the offices of the United Brotherhood of Carpenters to wage vendetta campaigns against members and all others who refuse to be victims of their agendas.


Response to Judge Berman relating to Veto of Patrick Nee and Levy Messinetti as officers and delegates of Local 157

We write in response to the Court's Order dated July 25, 2014, issued following the Second Circuit's Summary Order dated July 23,2014 in this matter. The Circuit vacated the Court's decision of October 23, 2012 upholding the Review Officer's veto of Patrick Nee and Levy Messinetti as officers and delegates of Local 157 and remanded the matter for further proceedings.

We write specifically to address the issues identified by the Court in its July 25 Order, i.e., whether the issues raised by Messrs. Nee and Messinetti in their July 2012 applications"remain ripe for consideration"and whether the RO's June 26, 2012 Notice of Veto was within his authority under the June 2010 Stipulation and Order, with citation to "appropriate background, context, and authority which may help to resolve any 'ambiguity' perceived by the Second Circuit."


Unions, Activists Align on Affordable Housing

A group of New York City construction unions have forged a coalition with affordable housing activists to ratchet up pressure on Mayor Bill de Blasio to require organized labor in the building of 80,000 lower-cost apartment units over the next decade.

The unions say they will begin supporting a call for 50% of the new units to be set aside for lower- and middle-income residents, a key tenet of the housing advocates' agenda and a departure from past practice in the city.

Unions are also willing to make an unusual concession, accepting wages that are 40% lower than normal union pay on affordable-housing projects in certain neighborhoods in Queens, Brooklyn, the Bronx and upper Manhattan for a new class of workers with less experience than existing members, many of them drawn from local communities.

The coalition would bring together two powerful interest groups who have traditionally been at odds. Much affordable housing has traditionally been built without union labor because developers, advocates and policy makers say that higher wages means fewer units.

The alliance shifts the political landscape for Mr. de Blasio in a challenging way, as he tries to fulfill his campaign promise of fostering new affordable housing construction while also maintaining positive relationships with real-estate firms that are wary of the 50% requirement.

"The affordable housing community and the trades have not come together in any major way. That's why we sought out this opportunity to be on the same page," said Jonathan Westin, director of New York Communities for Change, a community-organizing group.

In a call for their now mutually beneficial goals, union leaders will demonstrate on Wednesday in Harlem alongside the Real Affordability for All Coalition, which includes about 50 tenants groups and antipoverty advocates, many of whom are allies of the mayor.

Construction union leaders have met with Deputy Mayor Alicia Glen and First Deputy Mayor Anthony Shorris about using organized labor as Mr. de Blasio's affordable-housing plan is developed. City officials said significant details remain to be worked through.

"Affordable housing and quality jobs are both priorities for this administration, and we're working to ensure that we're creating more opportunities in affordable-housing programs for the kind of jobs that lift up New Yorkers," a spokesman for the mayor said.

Selling a potential pay cut on some projects presents a challenge for Gary LaBarbera, president of the Building and Construction Trades Council of Greater New York, an umbrella organization of 15 local affiliates of national and international construction unions that operate in the city.

Mr. LaBarbera said the affordable-housing projects, under his plan, would employ the new group of card-carrying union members at lower wages, but they could advance to higher-paying positions outside the affordable-housing market.

"We can make the projects economically viable and be able to bring in non-union members and people in the community and give them an opportunity to come into the union," Mr. LaBarbera said.

He said that 80% of his member unions support the concept.

Some union leaders in Mr. LaBarbera's group said they were skeptical of a plan involving lower pay.

"If they do that they're not going to get the cream of the crop at that price," said Jack Kittle, political director of District Council 9 International Union of Painters and Allied Trades.

Also difficult will be winning the support of real-estate developers, who would be likely to take a cut in profit by paying even reduced union wages, especially in building projects composed of 50% affordable units. They said they are concerned with the feasibility of achieving the mayor's housing goals if construction prices rise and about the quality of workers who would take lower rates.

"It's going to be the minor-league workforce, where you can work on an affordable housing project and make $60 an hour or you can work another project and make $100 an hour," said David Kramer, a principal at Hudson Companies, which develops affordable and market-rate housing.

Unions said they are willing to be flexible about wages and work rules to avoid getting shut out of the push for affordable housing, much of it outside of labor's stronghold in Manhattan.

Labor's hold on the private-sector construction industry in New York state has declined over the past decade to 26% from 30% of workers, , according to the Union Membership and Coverage Database using 2013 data from the Current Population Survey.

During the same period, private-sector unionization actually crept up to 16% from 15%. Three decades ago, about half of private-sector construction workers were unionized.

With construction workers busy building office towers and luxury apartments around the city, there is little pressure for unions to pursue affordable-housing jobs now, experts said. But a foothold in affordable housing could ensure them work even through downturns.

"Unions would be concerned in the next couple of years when the amount of construction is greatly reduced. They want to continue with their membership to make sure that they have jobs," said Richard Lambeck, chairman of the construction management program at the New York University School of Professional Studies.

Write to Laura Kusisto


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